Would You Forgive your Friend...

how is cutting them out of your life after "forgiving" them really forgiving them?

 

most people don't really jive on forgiveness meaning forgiveness.

 

how is it not?

 

i just wonder what you would do if you didn't forgive them...

would your other "take a bullet for me" buddies help you bury the body?

i suppose i have a warped view on forgiveness but cutting a person out of your life isn't forgiving them
it's just deflecting
if you were to forgive them truly you'd have to move on with your life, with them still in it
a friend is a friend you don't just cut them out of your life
especially not over something so petty as being a coward

 

when a bank forgives a loan, it's gone, fucking poof.

when a person truly forgives another, it's gone, poof, it NEVER HAPPENED.

making a decision based upon the act which you have "forgiven" belies falsification of forgiveness.

a misunderstanding of the concept, and it's basic, primal structure, the truth, and purity at it's core is lost if it is merely a sham.

 

Forgiving someone is a two way street. Harbouring no ill will towards someone is for your benefit but cutting them out of your life is still punishing them. I am not sure if I should start arguing about something so trivial but I am bored.

 

^ yep yep yep

 

so you are saying, that in order for me to truly "forgive" some one, they ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO stay in my life as my friend???

That is 100% not true.

I can forgive them in my heart and harbour no ill will towards them. that is forgiving. that situation is over and done with.

I based my decision to cut them out my life, not upon the act which was "forgiven", but upon the future possibility of their massive cowardice bringing my life to an instant and very unpleasant end... just so they can get away and save their own ass.

 

Because life threatening situations happen every day in normal life.

 

no, but cutting them out because of the thing you forgave them for, is not forgiveness

it is a lie, it is disgusting vitriol posing as truth, you are justifying your vitriol, but, in truth, you do not know what forgiveness means.


maybe you might not bear ill will for them in the wake of circumstance, but that's not forgiveness

no ill will is zero

forgiveness is a positive value in proportion to the negative value

i.e. no ill will = 0

forgiveness = -100+100.

no ill will + circumstance = circumstance

circumstance + forgiveness = 0

a non entity, 0, a non effect

you do not forgive, you simply avoid.

forgiveness is hard work, avoiding is easy as all fuck.

do I think it is wise to forgive a "friend" for running? it depends, do they have much more to lose than I do? do they have a child? a wife? someone who needs them?

then, it is right for me to forgive them, they have more to lose than I do.

if it is a friend as rudderless, and without meaning as myself, they are not to be forgiven.

 

It depends on what kind of life one lives, to be honest.

And no matter what, even if you only have to go thru 2 or 3 life threatening situations in your entire life.... I don't think anyone wants to have only one friend around when these life threating events DO happen, who is a gigantic coward that only cares about his own safety...

 

You are clutching at straws.

God I wish I wasn't so argumentative.

But then again, I know i'm right.

 

if you live a constantly life threatening life, the odds of you even KNOWING people (as our personal social networks tend to be very small) who aren't up with life threatening situations is VERY remote.

trying to make that point is a joke

and, honestly, most people have their life-threatening situations alone, and if in a group, that group is probably being threatened as much as you are, and expecting you to help them as much as you expect their help.

 

You people seem to be way more hellbent on arguing with me, rather than trying to answer the OP's original question. As a matter of fact, it only took about 10 very uninformative posts for you all to abruptly change the entire subject and start chatting about some random, un-related gang member case that doesn't even really pertain to this thread in the first place.

I can take a hint.

All you are apparently happy with your little "clique", here on cyberspace.

And you don't take kindly to someone rather new who has any opinion on any topic whatsoever, much less someone who can properly and intellectually defend themselves.

So, fuck it... I didn't mean to intrude on your holier-than-thou conversation. you may proceed in your oh so informative talk about gun sex.

All of you are pathetic and i will not waste another second of my time in this thread.

You are all right.

The new guy is wrong.

There.... now you can sleep ok tonight.

 

i love it when the new guy gets offended

 

If you look more closely at the forums you will find that I have had arguments tonight with members that have been here for years, including my online wife. We're above invalidating your opinion because you're new. I'm only doing it because I think you're wrong. I argue all the time. So does dave probably.

Maybe we are arrogant because we have been here for a long time but we have no less of a right to be here than you.

 

No they are not a bro. If they pull that shit they are a dead man.

 

didn't even see your post count, I just think you're wrong because you are objectively wrong.

you TRULY and literally do not understand the word you are using, in a literal sense, or in social context.


it has shit all to do with you being new, it's because you are wrong, and, in matters such as this, I find that aggressive wrongness, this unwillingness to get your head out of your ass, and do the research, and gain the understanding that you are wrong? THAT is abhorrent.

I argue because I do not accept certain styles of ignorance, or idiocy, you are demonstrating SOMETHING in that domain, and as I am here, and there isn't much other posting to do, I will not accept it.

become more before you try putting forth broken logic.

 

I am not arrogant, I am right. There is a difference.

not enough people deal in absolutes, or objectivity for those concepts to have maintained sacred separation that diverse language affords.

 

I can't be bothered posting this in the true confessions thread but, I love arguments.