Would YOU vote for RON PAUL

Storch

LOL – and still you refuse to address the criticism let alone refute it - that the neoliberal ideas of the right wing libertarians are much more likely to serve the interests of wealth to the detriment of everyone else.

Well it’s rather tortuous – you seem to be arguing that being in favour of one idea that is held by one group does not mean you are necessarily in favour of all that groups ideas.

But if a group has ideas you don’t agree with why be a member of that group? Especially if you can’t defend the ‘bad’ ideas in any rational way and that they outweigh the supposedly ‘good’ idea you support?

Anyway I’ll repeat the question you haven’t replied to - Can you actually explain why you think you are not right wing (other than just denying you are that is)?

This is hilarious – you honestly believe that Ron Paul is the only person in the US or the world that has ever been against ‘illegal wars’?

And that criticism of him or his views in any way means you must be a ‘warmonger’ who desires the wholesale slaughter of human beings?

As I’ve said like most lefties I’m against ‘illegal wars’ because they are morally wrong it seems to me that many right wing libertarians are mainly against them because they think them expensive and would like to give the money saved from stopping in tax cuts that would favour wealth.

 

Storch

But you can have a left wing and a right wing stance on such issues. I’m just wondering why you have chosen a right wing stance and why you seem able to defend your views from criticism.

You wish to reform or remove the Fed and you rant and rile against it but it seems to be a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing, I’m still unsure of what you’d actually do?

As to the war issue the right wing libertarian reasoning behind it seem to be to give greater tax cuts that favour wealth.

 

Indie

But as pointed out you seem to see anything to the left of you extreme right wing views as socialism.

The criticism of right wing libertarianism is that it neoliberal ideas would seem to favour wealth over those of any other groups a criticism that no right wing libertarian seems able to address let alone refute.

 

PsychonautMIA:

Although the problems we face cannot magically be solved quickly, in my opinion a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson Presidency/Vice Presidency would have been a great start.

 

Indie

Except that the criticism of right wing libertarianism that its neoliberal ideas would seem to favour wealth over those of any other groups is still outstanding and no righ wing libertarian seems able to address it let alone refute it.

 

Balbus,

If one borrows a "dollar" from someone who has the monopoly privelege to print dollars, and the repayment for that "dollar" is a dollar and twenty cents, where does the twenty cents come from? You're having an incredible difficulty with that concept, aren't you? Here's the answer: MORE BORROWING! It's a system designed to enslave. Sound and fury? Riiiight.

Now, since you brought it up, why don't you defend your idea that interest-bearing money is better that interest-free money. You keep telling yourself that. You have a block in your mind when it comes to understanding that removing an illegal financial drain on people is a good thing. And it's not up to anyone here to remove that block for you. But maybe this will help:

. . . In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest?

Now, if you want to sit there and pretend to not understand the difference between four-hundred million dollars and four billion dollars, that's your prerogative, but I would suggest that you really need to brush up on your math.

Are you aware of this: As of July 1st, the U.S. government had spent $355 billion so far in 2010 on interest payments to the holders of the national debt. Also, are you aware that an audit of the Fed uncovered a massive theft of the american people to the tune of at least fifteen trillion dollars?

In your own words, why don't you explain how you see this as a non-problem? Or, actually, there's a thread in which the Federal Reserve is being discussed. Perhaps you'd like to continue this discussion over there where you can explain yourself.

And as I said, you sit on the fence where you don't have to defend the continuation of illegal wars and threats of wars based on no evidence. You get to spit on one side of the fence with no obligation to defend the other side. So which candidate do you support? Easy question, but one I'll bet you'll weasel out of answering . . . again!

As to my belief that Ron Paul is the only person in the whole world who has ever been against illegal wars, I'm afraid you worded that incorrectly. He is apparently the only "candidate" talking about stopping illegal wars and the threat of war against other countries based on no evidence whatsoever. And you're just making up the idea that people only want to stop the wars out of a financial consideration. What's up with that?

Somehow, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame it all on the dreaded Right-Wing Liberatian . . .

 

Storch

To repeat - You wish to reform or remove the Fed and you rant and rile against it but it seems to be a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing, I’m still unsure of what you’d actually do?

 

storch

Anyway I’ll repeat the question you haven’t replied to - Can you actually explain why you think you are not right wing (other than just denying you are that is)?

 

Balb: Just the fact that there are those who are wealthy presents opportunities for those who are not. In a world where everyone was equally poor, it's unlikely we would avail ourselves more than the basic necessities of life.

 

Balb: Is there a point to labeling Storch as left wing or right wing? Most likely everyone has some views that can be labeled as right wing or left wing, or Socialist or Conservative, etc. I find labels, when attempting to discuss issues, useful only as a means of skirting around the issues.

Ron Paul appears to be one of the very few politicians who recognizes that no matter how much money is printed, the country will be unable to buy its way out of debt. And bringing more money into existence only increases the disparity between those we view as rich and those we view as poor.

 

Individual,

Ah ha!! That's exactly what a Right-Wing Libertarian with neoliberal leanings would say. Coincidence? I think not. And I looked at your profile photo after enlarging it, too. Sure enough, there's just somethin' about it--somethin' around the eyes.

 

...as he collects his social security check...

Is the cold war an example of how "our government has been gradually morphing toward socialism for more than a century?"

 

LOL!

 

Hey, outhere, help me out; I can't find the post where you pulled that quote from. I am writing a book about my experiences in several forums, and I forgot I had said that.

 

You know, when it comes right down to it, I just have no recollection at all of saying that. Is it possible that you are mistaken?

 

I think he was asking a question

 

I think he quoted the wrong poster. In fact, I'm certain of it.

But that's ok; we all make mistakes.

 

Indi said it on the last page. 1139

 

Thanks, LetLovin'. I just knew I didn't say it. But to be honest, I was starting to worry about the onset of Alzheimer's. What a relief to find out that it's actually somebody else's problem and not mine.

 

Storch,

It's post #1099, page 110. (My copy and paste isn't working.)

I think you should answer Balbus' questions.