You Can't Always Get What You Chat..

'Nite Lynn.

 

Yes, I'm always a sucker for a good ghost story.

 

b0ring

 

better him than you

...yes...possible....probable....likely....for sure....absolutely


we are in a lame weather warning....high winds being blown by the south

 

We had thunderstorms in Ohio last night. Strange to say the least.

 

Recent turn of events in the Stoners Lounge seems to be making it clear... I don't have sticky buds to take photos of all day long, I'm not supposed to be here anymore.


Later...

 

NOOOO Ty! if taking pics of perfect fingers and buds is what it takes to come here, only 3 people would qualify...

Please don't mean that....its just lately that you've been posting in the chat thread again, or so it seemed...I've quite missed your posts here.

 

I had typed out this longish post telling about the HAUNTED house next door, and poof, after I clicked "Post" the site decided I wan't logged in and I lost the post.

hehe...I'm stubborn...I'll come back to it later just because.

I don't think whatever is in the brick home beside us is malevolent, I'll say that now.

I DO think what has been in the 3 story wooden house behind us is not nice at all. I definitely think malevolent when I think of back there. Imagine a triangle...the house behind us is the top of the triangle and it was built in either the late 1800's or early 1900's and was the original family structure. The 2 doctor brothers that built my own house as well as the one beside us were part of that family. I guess this was sort of a family compound area.

 

Morning kiddos!

 

Speaking of haunted, this was an old tuberculosis hospital in rural Western NY (purposely kept in the forest to prevent TB from spreading to town) which I definitely never went into and explored . After TB was cured the facility became a mental hospital and insane asylum and gradually fell into disrepair until it shut down.

It's a huge abandon complex with roads, tons of buildings, a theater, a village consisting of many houses directly across the street (where hospital staff would live) and there is even a crematorium building on site from when TB was so bad in the early 1900s that they'd have so many people dying of it they needed a crematorium on site. And you go in there and there's still a sign on these two metal doors to the ovens which say "HOT". Crazy.

Check out some photos of this place (though photos do not do it justice):

http://untappedcities.com/2015/02/09/inside-the-abandoned-j-n-adams-memorial-hospital-in-perrysburg-new-york/

 

I was hella into all that shit with my friends when I was like 16 and first got cars and a drivers license.

We saved our money, bought digitial voice activated recorders, stole my fathers camcorder from like the year 2000 (and ended up losing the power cord to it and he got pissed as fuck) to tape our escapades and try to capture "evidence" lol.

Nothing much ever happened. Lots of noises but the facility is so big and so decrepit and full of rodents and wildlife it was clearly not anything supernatural lol. It is creepy as fuck though and your mind will fuck with you if you're not disciplined. Its crazy too because its LITERALLY like one day they just up and left... there's this one room of records, just PILES of papers, cabinets, boxes, shit strewn everywhere from every year and decade of the facilities operation. You find like TB books, patient records, treatment protocols, hospital information, internal hospital documents etc etc from literally early 1900s all the way up until they close in like the 1980s I believe. Crazy just to look through all that shit.

There are rooms with horrific looking, mid 20th century mental health "treatment" devices... Straps, tables, rods, chairs, and electroshock tubs of all kinds. Terrifying to imagine what must have gone down there in those barbaric days of mental healthy & insanity "treatment". Lobotomies and all the rest of it for sure

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGlRhHsTNLw

The sheer amount of objects, paperwork and detritus of all sorts left behind in that place is incredible. Artifacts of all types spanning almost a century, just strewn about everywhere, rotting, going to shit. I have some old documents somewhere. Some photos of nurses and patients that I found which are from the 1930s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-cZSS-behw

 

This is very interesting, Chad. You really don't think its possible or likely that some of the tormented energy from the multitude of people could be left? Sort of like when we dropped the A bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and there were shadows literally burned into some of the buildings. I mean, how do you burn a shadow? Which is kind of beside the point but not really.

Supposedly energy never dies/goes away - it just changes form, right? Eventually energy dissipates, but not immediately.

In a place such as that, where there were so very many people in such sad situations I think I would have a hard time being in a place such as that.

But that is way cool that once you were interested in "that stuff". That tells me that even though you say haunted schmaunted, you know in your heart there is more to this world that what one can see and touch.

 

Aw, I am not one of the cool kids either.


Looking forward to reading the ghost/haunted story!!

Chad so sorry to read about your pup,I can remember you posting pics before and it is hard when we lose a fur friend.

I saw this commercial and sat laughing as I own one of these and my sister breeds them. Too cute!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCmjHgszJ8s

 

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it out of the realm of possibility. I mean you have decades and decades worth of shit imprinted there, much of it back in the early days of mental health and insanity treatment where people were kept against their will and forced to go through all kinds of horrifying experimental procedures. This is why back in the day we thought "if this shit is going on anywhere, surely it must be going on here". Which is why we were so into investigating it.

All that being said I'm a rationalist and a reductionist at heart. I have no interest in generating some deluded, self-reinforcing fantasy trip whereby I convince myself (without adequate evidence and logic) that something must be going on. And as such I tried to keep an open mind, go in rationally, not fall victim to the folly of "did you hear that???" kind of stuff. And unfortunately I saw absolutely no evidence of any of that type of activity. And we pursued this many times growing up. So I eventually came to the opinion "alright if I cant get something here, then forget it, its hopeless and/or downright fake". And thus kinda ended my ghost hunter days haha. Plus as I grew older and came out of my teenage years I was able to see the stamp of "FOLLY" all over the ghost/paranormal phenomena scene and that hella turned me off and pretty much convinced me there wasn't much there worth exploring. I'd like to believe, I really would, just not at the expense of good taste, good reason and good sense

Also I'm not sure that's really what physicists are saying when they say energy cannot be created nor destroyed, merely transformed. I think it's more along the lines of; you die and go into the ground, critters eat your corpse which provides them with metabolic energy and on and on like that. The energy that was once "you" re-enters circulation back into the energy economy. I think its a misreading of it to say they are implying some kind of spirit or soul or something.

I actually recently found the mini-cassette tape of one of these escapades while in the process of moving to CO! I'd love to watch it but I don't have anything that can play that kind of mini-cassette tape.

 

Here's the tape I found of our final escapade there when I was like 17.

Wish I had a way to watch this!!

 

If I hadn't run out of my likes quota I would like this...just so ya know.

I respect that you won't compromise your rationality and that you approach this subject intelligently and logically, wanting evidence.

That being said, I have no "evidence" for anything I've seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. I don't have any recordings but I do have a few pictures that have some unexplained things in them (and I don't have the foggiest idea how to post something that is even on my pictures album on this computer much less old pictures that I possess outside of the computer).

All my life I've heard things that I know nobody around me heard...well only me and the animals that would be with me at the time could hear "these things". They (the animal/s) would react as soon as I heard whatever. I've also seen things (on and off) all my life also. As a child I remember seeing people and shapes in my room. When I was 15 I watched a marble egg levitate as well as roll around on the floor (a very level floor!). Those are just my beginnings in "this subject".

I guess I wanted you to know that I'm not speaking from the point of view of someone who is "just interested". Also, these ghost hunters and people hunting such I generally find amusing.

I wish you could find a way to hear that cassette tape also!

 

Hey I hear you!

And I'm not into dismissing anyone else's experience. I do think that on some level, all experience is equally valid. However there are complexities, intricacies and layers to this onion which make it not quite as cut and dry, which I don't care to really unpack here. I.e Yes on some level that is true but there are also crazy people and ridiculous ideas in this world.

My problems with this sort of stuff arise when people start making outlandish claims and then present this to the public as some sort of legitimate phenomena. To bring it out of the arena of your personal experience and into the public domain, you need to come with some evidence (of the legitimate variety, not some piece of dust transduced as an "orb" through your camera lens) and brush up your logical and analytical chops first IMO. Which obviously nobody does. So that's the big turn off to me. Terence McKenna once said "We have to keep the pressure on the phenomena. Because the good stuff can take the test. The good stuff can take the test. And if you're tolerant of dross you'll spend so much time sorting dross that you'll never get anywhere". And I completely agree so that's essentially how I approach these things. And unfortunately the cast of characters involved in these types of scenes make it clear the majority of these people are just seeking to reinforce and validate their own pre-existing belief and as such are completely and utterly grasping at evidential straws, flailing about trying to make whatever nonsensical and ridiculous claims.

And yeah those ghost hunter shows are hi-larious! The fact that people think that type of paranormal reality TV is "real" on whatever level is hilarious. Speaks volumes about our logical and analytical capacity as a culture.

But again I try not to be too dismissive. There may be something to the phenomena. What do I know? Jack shit, is probably the appropriate answer there. But I will wait for the evidence. I will wait until there is something worth evaluating. And not some random photos and videos on the internet. The people who call this type of thing "proof" of something as spectacular and improbable as the paranormal are severely lacking in the "standards of evidence" department.

And yeah this tape is actually a video! Its like a mini cassette tape. So I could actually watch it if I just had something to play it. Again this was from when I was a kid and stole my fathers Sony Camcorder to go tape this stuff, so at the moment I don't have anything which can play this back.

 

There are a lot of places now that transfer old media and data into current usable formats. It is not overly expensive to have done it this is something you really want to keep. Might be an idea.

Heard this today and it has to be one of the closest to Janis doing it that I have heard. I like both ladies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY

 

You really are a funny, cool dude. (Even though I don't think people use the word "cool" anymore, I do. )

Being intelligent and articulate doesn't hurt either.

I'm not saying nobody will EVER get any evidence/proof taped and recorded but I think it highly unlikely. I believe technology will have to progress quite a bit first.

As far as those hi-larious shows...I'd bet almost anything they will never find any proof. No way any self-respecting spirit would allow those stupid asses access to anything close to evidence of their existence.


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Edit: wouldn't it just be the bee's knees if on this tape you have some proof...or at least something that would prove to you "something was there", and it wasn't of this world or anything that you saw with your eyes.

Yeah...what Heat said - I wish you would try and have whatever is on that tape transferred onto a CD without destroying the original, of course.