young mom's

I do not have a sister. However I do know someone who might be interested. I don't want to say her name on here because I would not want her upset with me.

 

You are making it a personal issue w/me, it's not.

personal responsiblity only goes so far.

believe it or not OUTSIDE FORCES DO AFFECT INIVIDUALS.

just as a bad economy will affect crime rates, social pressures and trends will affect parenting and families.

maybe not your family, but what about your employer's, coworker's, elected officials', children's teachers'. All these people in your community will have an affect on you and your family.

How is your personal responsibility going to affect some kid getting you daughter knocked up and then bailing?

To believe that the rest of society has nothing to do w/you is what's foolish.

 

outside of certain situations, I don't see where 'my' daughter would not be responsible for getting knocked up in the first place. Again, personal responsibility will win over societal pressures 99% of the time.

 

we're discussing the INCREASE in deadbeat dads.

This is a symptom of a greater social ill that needs to be addressed.

 

Alright, then when the court asks me why I don't pay child support, I'll respond that its MTV's fault. This is like the fat person suing McDonalds for super sizing their lunch.

 

Also, it should be noted that our society is slipping more and more into a "Nanny Culture" where personal responsibility is being discarded and people are relying more and more on "authorities" to make their decisions for them.

Example: Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes is unhealthy, but the government has decided that people can't make the decision whether or not to smoke for themselves, and thus they are raising taxes and funding "smokers are evil" campaigns to demonize smokers in order to try and force us to stop smoking.

 

No, it's just saying that if we want to decrease the number of deadbeat dads in the future, we should address the reason there are so many deadbeat dads in the first place.

 

That's not what i'm saying.

i'm not talking about excuses, just trying to understand the REASON.

What has changed in the last couple decades to give rise to this specific problem?

i'm not saying deadbeat dads havnt exsisted before, but why such an increase in our culture?

 

ok, I finally read this whole fucking thread..

I have never put any thought into this subject prior to reading this thread... I must say that I do agree with OSF and Shane! They provided the most intellectual statements and actually backed up thier replies.. Instead of a bunch of contradictions and misconceptions..

Oh, btw, Congrats shane!

 

You seem to be stuck on this abortion thing so let me help you into reality


The fact is the reason guys have no say in abortion is simple. A guy could walk away at any moment. Women can't.

If women did what alot of men do and walked away from their children......THEY WOULD BE CHARGED WITH ABANDONMENT!!!

A man can choose to ignore a pregnancy or a child

Women can't. Well, they could but they would end up in jail

That's nature....we didn't have anything to do with how children come into this world. Although I'm sure this won't stop you from blaming us for it

 

SINCE WHEN?

It take two to tango baby!

btw i know several women who dump their kids on their parents ie abandonment, but thats not the point.

point is:

Women have the only voice in whether to kill (or abort, however you see it) a child that BOTH parents created.

Whatever the choice of the woman, the man gets the shit end.

If he wants the child she can abort, If he doesnt want the child she can force him to support financially.

You want abortion rights? Fine, BUT DONT COME AFTER ME CAUSE YOU THINK YOU HAVE A MEAL TICKET!

 

Thanx for the congrats, I'm sleepy but happy!

 

Still waiting for a response to this...

 

This is the problem!!!!

Aren't fathers teaching their sons that by not being around? How do you figure that is mothers that are teaching that? By sticking around? By raising them to the best of their ability?


Their "actions" are surviving and putting food on the table.


So a man and a woman make a baby. The man leaves. The woman stays and takes care of the child. The child sees this and assumes that men are not needed to raise a child.

And you attribute that child's misconception TO THE MOTHER?

If you do, then tell me this:

What is the woman supposed to do when the man leaves and abandons the child? Lay down and die? Search, find, and accept any man willing to marry her?

Now I see, we are doing too good of a job facing adversity.

You, my friend, are hatin

I've said it before, I'll say it again

only the weak place blame elsewhere

 

The only reason there are more dead beat dads than there are dead beat mothers (which is a major problem as well) is for biological reasons. Women naturally have a stronger bond to their children.


Divorce and having children outside of wedlock has constributed tremendously too the increase in dead beat dads, but I don't think you can blame that on feminism.

 

Once again, you are not living in REALITY!!!!!

Fact is, women give birth to babies

If a man doesn't want a child, he should strap up

A child does not affect a man's life until its born. The women is affected from before she even knows that she is.

It is idealistic and, frankly, whiny to think otherwise


With that last statement you made, I now see why you feel the way you do


you, sir, are an idiot

 

Think about what you just wrote down and how divorce and children outside of wedlock have risen as a result of feminism.

 

There are many factors that have contributed to divorce. Sure women feel a bit more secure leaving men in society these days than in the past, but you know what? Men feel the same thing. Divorce is just more socially acceptable due to a multitude of reasons.

I just don't feel that you can say that feminism has had a negative affect on parenting, its a week arguement.

 

I'll ignore the insults and address the arguement.

"If a man doesnt want a child, he should strap up"

how does this same statement not apply to women?

Are you stating the women dont have control over their sexuality and consequenses of sex?

"a child does not affect a man's life until it is born"

what? you get a 9month headstart and that entitles you to be the sole decision maker as to whether i get to be a father?

btw, try to keep things civil by showing the respect to me that i'v shown to you through out this discussion. I dont recall any name calling on my part...

 

Read up:

http://www.harbpress.com/fm_wheresdaddy/WD_NewsRel_12Feminism.htm