your denomination

:H The New World Order is also going to have a Global church.
many christians will be part of it,for one,many of them don't
even know their church is pagan,and many of them will not make
waves,like admit that Jesus Christ is the only way to God. The
Global church will say there are many ways to God while it's
trying to please all people of every religion. man trying to save
man.
another thing,please don't trust those offering free DNA tests.
I don't trust that. I found out a few years ago while doing my
family tree that we have jewish blood on my Fathers Mothers
side of the family. I believe that the anti-christ will try to get
everyone's DNA types to see if they are jewish so he can make
sure he finds every jewish person there is on earth,and finish
the job Hitler started. He of course will say that you need to
have your DNA tested to make it easier to get medical care & treatment.
The anti-christ will begin his reign of terror on the christians
and jew's cooked up by satan himself.
many people today are just barely learning that they also
have jewish blood. Don't get a blood test,look into your
family tree if possible to see if you can find out before the
government does. many of us have jewish blood and don't
even know it.

 

:H Yes,many people think that way,but satan will take any
way he can to get believers to fall,and lose their salvation,
or at least torment them all he can.
Many people will be fooled into it,that is also in the bible.
There are false teachers in the world now,and they are lying
to the christians about it.
The AC or anti christ will need a way to track down and locate
all people on the earth. The I.D. chip is also a tracking device.
Because of the christians in the past thinking it would be their
generation that would see the AC and the end times,many ---
people today don't trust the christians today when they try
to tell them we are really in the end times. It's like the little
boy who cried wolf too many times,so when the wolf does -
come,no one will believe him. satan wants the christian to
feel like they are alone and helpless. Don't listen to the fat
lies of this world. Prophecy is happening every day now.
Israel became a nation again when most christians use to
think the bible meant for us to take it spiritually instead of
literally. Many said the same thing about Iraq too,yet people
want to help rebuild Iraq now,and make it a tourist attraction
and Iraq has a great deal of oil.
Babylonian pagan religion is back full swing,Sodom & Gomorrah, and The days are like the days of Noah.

 

well, i don't disagree with you there. but there are also those who think that social security cards and id's are satan's way of tracking people, too. have we already fallen?

 

You all are catching on here. Thats good.
Yes,you are right.
But The Government they say staged many of the child
kidknappings by using hardened criminals and cutting deals
with them to cause panic and fear so many people would
already get the I.D. chips for their kids right off the bat.
some have done it too. Prince Charles and his boys already
did it,and some others.
I still don't think Prince Charles is the AC,at least not yet
anyway,although I do have the book called: "The Anti-Christ-
and A Cup of Tea"
Any way,it looks like more panic attacks and terror is coming
so that people will literally be begging the Government for
help,and that is just what the Government wants to hear.
I heard the so called "Elite groups,like the illuminati and
others tried to pull off the New World Order in the 70's but
for some reason it didn't work out. It's kind of odd how they
found a way to bring the 70's back again. I was a teenager in
the 70's 13teen,and 14,and I didn't like it then,and don't really
like it much now either. Who gets to go back in time like that
very often? Well,to me it's weird,but it may not mean anything
I just hope you all will keep your eyes and ears open,and pray
for each one of us. We need to pray for one another,and keep
trying to share Jesus Christ with all those we can.
Besides,just because someone is an atheist or worldly doesn't
mean they don't have feelings,right?
We do need more christians like John The Baptist now -
because of the times we are in where people don't listen
much.
Use your christian freedoms while you still have em' and study
and research all you can. You might just help a life be saved,
and you know how precious those lives are to the one we -
love and adore whom we know as our Lord Jesus Christ.
I love all of you very much already. Watching your good faith
shine through has really blessed me very much today.
Be careful,and have courage at the same time.
Bold as a lion,and gentle as a dove.
May God be with you always,in his precious love,your sister
in Christ Jesus,DNA

 

The name Hugh rang a bell. I read an article about Hugh Hefner
that said after a near Brush with death that he was going to use
his gift that he feels God gave him (SEX),and make a christian
movie about Sodom & Gomorrah. He said everyone should be
glad he's not doing one about Lot and his daughters.
His excuse is that sex is in the bible whether people like it or
not!
He believes he's a christian too.

 

i think the sacredness that god intended for sexuality has been subliminalized and at the same time exploited. i've always figured that it's reason god gets so pissed about people engaging in reckless sex. sexuality is not a sin, abusing the beautiful gift he's given us is.

 

No,I don't think we have already fallen because it appears
that free will is involved,though many will be fooled into taking
it. I think the social security card helped to pave the way for
it though. Even babies are issued a SS# right after they are
born.The I.D. chip is something that you will most likely have
to agree to use,other wise,how could you be sinning if it wasn't?
many people will be decieved into it,but it certainly does appear
that you'll have a choice.
The social security card helped things along,no doubt.

 

you don't have to get a SS#. if you're willing to live outside of society, just don't go to the SS office. i had to go there and sit in line until i got one for my daughter. i personally didn't get one until i was 11. my brothers were 15 and 17.

 

Thats true. Abuse of all things causes harm to us,and it
can be spread to those that love us,and others.

 

A:

absolutely!

(///gnrm23)

 

After I had my youngest daughter,they had a form for us
to fill out and mail to get her SS#.
It was odd. she was born in 2000.
If I'm not mistaken,the I.D. chip won't be forced on people
at first,and they eventually won't be able to buy or sell
anything without it.
I use to be very afraid of all of this at first,but I'm not as afraid
anymore. I also believe in the pre-trib rapture for the saints who
are ready when Jesus comes for them. It helped me to study and expose myself to whats going on in the world,and I also
did alot of research in History and how it lined up with the
Bible,and I studied the book of Revelations alot. That is one
book in The Bible that really takes time to try and under
stand,but there is a blessing for those who do the bible says.
I'm not sure how many times I read it and under lined all
the words,but it sure did help alot though.
The more you study and prepare,the less you are afraid.
I still feel sad at times when I think of all those who
don't even know any of this,and all those who will be
caught off quard,and many who thought they new the
truth but didn't. I have lost loved ones,and I pray they
will be saved.

 

Thank you I am so blessed that God brought me to the church that I attend now and the End Time Bible study course that I have finished. All of the other denominations I have been exposed to (Catholic, Mainstream Christian, Lutheran) have talked about the end, but none of them really had a clear message. They have never really discussed indepth what was to take place other than not to get the mark.

Amen to that, my sister in Christ

Thank you again. I am very blessed for having the awesome Pastor that I do. I have never met someone so informative about the Word in my life.

I have too, and I agree. You, (as well as everyone else) are in my prayers

Yeah, the ID chip, "Digital Angel". Even the name is meant to attract followers. If you read the information on it, it sounds great. But that is how satan works. He makes temptation look oh so good.

Also, it is said that the fall of the Berlin Wall started the idea of the Nwo. pope john paul II, president mikhail gorbachev, and president george bush met together a few days after the wall fell. It was from that time on that the world began to hear of a New World Order.

The four beasts of Daniel's dream all become one kingdom:
A. the lion - Great Britain
1. Great Britian's emblem
B. the bear - Russia
1. Russia's emblem
C. the eagle - United States
1. "The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings there of were plucked, and it was lifted up from earth, and made to stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was givne to it".
2. Not only does the United States use an eagle for it’s symbol, it also uses a man - Uncle Sam.
D. the leopard - Germany
1.dominion was given to the leopard
2. Germany has started the last three major wars
3. beast has four heads - Germany: first reich, second reich, third reich, and fourth reich
E. a beast symbolizes a nation
F. mutiple heads on a beast portray the number of times that nation will rise and fall
1. Germany - third reich was cut in two
G. Ten horned beast
1. the ten horns are ten kings (Daniel 7:24)
2. these ten leaders will form a union and give their support to the antichrist (revelation 17:12-14)

Prophecy also says that the mouth of the beast will be the lion.



Here and there in this forum I have been putting up information I have in my notes about the end times. I would like to have it all up so people can see exactly what will take place.

 

No offense intended, so please don't take it that way, but doesn't this all sound sort of paranoid? SS cards, blood tests, the UN- I mean, you can basically take anything and say that it's because the anti-christ is trying to take over, then, can't you?

Maybe I just don't understand the concept.

 

pretty much. it's basically for most people a shrugging of the shoulders philisophical question that we can do nothing about. it's a point of interest, really.

 

How did this go from denominations to politics?? Well either way I have somethign to say on both counts:

#1 - I don't like "religion" or "denomination". I don't consider myself to be any one particular denomination. I just am what I am and I believe what I believe, I prefer to have a direct relationship with God. I let Him teach me things and I study the Bible for myself and let Him show me what I need to know. However, I do need fellowship, so I will attend a church for that reason... but I don't follow everything they say. I listen to what they have to say and then decide for myself if I agree with it or not. God teaches me, not a pastor.

#2 - I think the social security thing is becoming, or about to start becoming, mandatory. I was a labor coach for a friend who had her baby in March 2004 and they also included papers to get her a SS# along with all the other stuff she had to fill out when she had her baby. They unfortunately are also on welfare, and the kid had to have a SS# to get that. So even if you managed to avoid getting a SS# for your baby, if you wanted anything from the goverment or when your kid wanted to get a job, you'd HAVE to get a SS#. So see, it pretty much is mandatory already, it's just up until recently, you didn't have to get one until you were 16 or so (and wanted to work or get goverment assistance). But after seeing her have to fill out the SS# papers when she had her baby, I am starting to see it as becoming mandatory from the day of birth, and that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

 

i agrew tih you Bree with regard to religon and denomination..i never call my relation ship with god my religion because thats not how i veiw it and becuase of the negatvie connotations that come with the word religion, i call my relationship with god either that..a relationship or my faith which also explains what it is pretty self explanatory.
i hate it when people ask my denomination, i understand why becuase there seem to be so mnay diffenret expressions of christianity theses days but i simple cannot put myself into a denomination..i am a bible believing god loving holy spirit filled follower of christ..surely that is just called a christian?!
i wanted to pick up on a couple of things from your above post...you say that you attend church for fellowship which is great and biblical, but is this your only reason...? i dont presume it is but just in case and also so others dont take confused or whatever i just wanted to point out the biblical reasons for attending church beyond the need for fellowship...it is im poratnt to go to church to edify all of gods people, to bless the lord, to act in obedience, to observe the sabbath and becuase god delights in his church...after all gods church is jesus's bride, that will stand pure and spotless before him on the day of judgement..it is imporatnt that ths church regulary meets togther to praise and worship to build one another up in love, to correct and disciple one another as we are commanded to do in the scriptures...
the other thing was your comment about allowing god to teach you through his word..i totally agree with this and believ it really imporatnt for each christian to individually seek god thru his living word and listen to what he is saying...butg it concerns me that you say god teaches me not a pastor..for pastors have been placed with authority over us in the church to teach disciple care and instruct...i dont for one minute think you dont kjnow this as in every post i have read of ours you have shown yourself to be a wise and discerning bible believing christian but i thing it is always importnt to be clear on what we are sayin so that others do not get confused..i preume you mean you can be taught by a pastor but it is god speaking thru them rather than you dontt listen to pastors and only to god!!!

lots of love luchi xx

 

No, you are right, this is not the only reason I attend church. I attend it for a lot of the reasons you mentioned, as well as others, but what keeps my butt in the pew is the need for fellowship.

Yes, actually that is what I meant. Everyone and everything can be a vessel or a means by which God speaks to me. Pastors get extra attention because more often than not, they are truly pastors of God, called to service by Him. But I also know that pastors are only human and they make mistakes, and I know there are also a few misguided people who are pastors and should not be, from what I've learned personally. So I am careful about not hanging on to every word someone else says. I believe everyone has a wayward belief or understanding somewhere within them, including myself, and no one on this earth is exempt from that.

I do however, try my best to leave everything open as a way for God to talk to me. God has talked to me through many things and many people, including pastors, as well as other certain means. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, when I said God teaches me and not a pastor, I meant that whatever I learn, I know whether it is from God or not. The pastor is merely a vessel of communication and a tool provided by God to help learn and figure things out.

I also meant that so many people unintentionally learn from a pastor and end up thinking that the pastor is teachign them this or that, some people don't even think for themselves, they just say that because the pastor said this, it is the way it is. They don't seem to realize that the information is coming from beyond the pastor... they don't see the line going from God to the pastor and then from the pastor to them, they only see the line between them and the pastor. They don't often don't realize that there is more to the whole thing than just being taught rules by a human teacher. For many, the pastor is just a crutch, not a key.

I see the line between me and the pastor, and the line between the pastor and God. I also see the line between me and God directly, as well as lines between me and everything else and everyone else that is in my life, in my world, and the lines between them and God. There is so much more out there...

Ok, I'm done with being weird for now.

 

no that wasnt weird that was fantastic..thankyou for clarifying that for me...i toally agree with you with regard to some blindly following a pastor..its scary especially as many pastors are onan ego trip these days and desire nothin more than to have a load of hungry for more christians feeding off their every word...its sad when people dont pursue their own personal relationship with god...i pray that god gives us all ears to hear and hearts to listen to what he is saying to us and to understand and act accordingly...

 

I belong to the denomination known as the Seventh Day Adventist church. We have 13 million members world wide. I agree with most of their beliefs but not all.

 

I would like to mention something on "the mark". Apparently several of you believe these implant chips are what satan will use to mark people. Well, I can understand where you are thinking this, however, The Bible clearly states that the mark will be visable. Where the whole idea came from, trying to relate this bioimplant technoogy to the mark of the beast,was not to long ago some Biblical analysts and quite a few non believers felt it would be vitualy impossable to mark every single human being in the world. Well once the idea for this technology surfaced several saw this as "everyone having the mark" coming true. But let's seriously think about this. As far as every human in the world getting a chip implanted, I don't see this as likely. There are several tribes all around the world that have nothing to do with modern society. To force impant on every single person will not happen.

As far as the actual mark of the best, i am thinking it will be like a brand. The Bible states that it will be visable to all.

I for one welcome bioimplant chip technology. Who in their right mind wouldn't want their child implanted with something that could locate and track said child in the case of an emergency ie a kidknaping? In tis day and age, if it will help my child and keep my child safe, I will use it.

As far as denomination. I am a Christian. I worship God, not a religion.