Your INTELLECTUAL political ideologies

Haha, how funny would that be if George Bush was a hipforums member.

 

that's why you have to vote for politicians who aren't 'career politicians' and watch how your senators vote on the issues. i like ron paul and i might vote in the primaries because he's the only candidate ive seen that actually refers to the constitution.

 

If I was in America my vote would go to Paul or Kucinich.

 

oh yea, i forgot you were frm the land of canadia

 

swazo I can say that I don't support hard drug abuse but think it should be legal. I don't support hitting yourself in the face with a hammer every hour on the hour, but that should be legal too. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I have the right to prohibit others from doing it.

 

This is why the Dutch model works well. When people say 'legalised' they don't mean anyone can just walk into a shop and buy a bag of smack, they're talking about decriminalising certain substances for certain sections of the community. In Holland you can get Heroin prescribed to you because addiction is treated as an illness and users aren't victimised. Prescribed heroin = Less crime- much theft, muggings, shoplifting etc are done by small time addicts desperate for a score. Less OD's- People are given a restricted supply of clean gear so they can't go over the top and it's not cut with glass. Less control of the trade in the hands of gangs- who's going to buy it when you can get it for free?
Obviously one of the conditions of the free gear is that people are working towards coming off it and are treated by doctors who put them on a programme to help rehabilitate all parts of their lives not just their addiction illness. If they refuse they don't get the gear, simple as. In Holland the number of addicts is decreasing and the average age of them is getting higher and higher with less young people getting into it. It's not so glamourous when you have to go sit in a clinic every day to get something to make you feel normal. You can't say that doesn't work.

Countries have a right to look after the health of its citizens. Addiction is a sickness therefore if people want help then the government should be obliged to supply it. I could never live somewhere where you have to pay for healthcare, fuck that.

And as for people on benefits/welfare... the amount of money spent on that is tiny, we're talking fractions here, compared to corporate tax avoidance, business fraud, business smuggling etc annually. Tackle the people really taking your tax pennies before going after the small fries.

 

thats who wonka really is

 

The Reverend.

I know about the legalization of Heroin for medical use in the Uk for treatment, and I am ok with that. Perfectly fine, so long as the homeless guy on the side of the road cant walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of smack and the money hes using comes from the kid he just robbed outside.

It will lead to petty theft, crime and murder. It already happens today and its illegal. As for the hammer analogy. Go ask a homeless person what he would want to do more. Some coke or hit himself in the face with a hammer. Hell he might do both but he wont kill people to hit himself in the face with a hammer.

 

I'm just saying what right do we have to control what people put in their bodies?

 

Man has the right to live by his own law-

to live in the way that he wills to do:
to work as he will:
to play as he will:
to rest as he will:
to die when and how he will.

2. Man has the right to eat what he will:

to drink what he will:
to dwell where he will:
to move as he will on the face of the earth.

3. Man has the right to think what he will:

to speak what he will:
to write what he will:
to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:
to dress as he will.

4. Man has the right to love as he will:-

"take your fill and will of love as ye will,
when, where, and with whom ye will." - AL I:51

5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

-Crowley

 

We don't.

 

SO let me ask you this. Say some homeless buys smack from 7 11. Shoots it and ODs.

Is it the hospitals job to help him seeing as how its his body and we all told him not to.

 

Everyone that pays Insurance has the right to OD if they so please.

 

^ thats fucked up man. I think that would totally be a burden on the health care system as we know it.

 

Yeh, but if you are paying to keep yourself alive, why can't you do something to endanger your life? That's what it's for, incase ya fuck up, it's like a chance card, granted you have to pay a lot to insurance, you are still alive.

 

Because I, like the majority of the public don't want my tax dollars going to lazy idiots who abuse the hell out of the hard drugs.

My money already goes to that, and if they were made legal it would be the stupidest thing period.

 

then make od's be payed for personally. or screw government-controlled healthcare in general.

 

But in America, that isn't how it is. The people that OD, pay their own insurance. So if they wanna convulse on the floor because too much smack was pumped into their junkie veins, then so-fuckin be it.

 

*sigh*.

You guys need to think of the repercussions of living completely free. Sure, it'd be nice, but I don't think you realize how much you depend on the government. Its scary but its true.

I guess what i comes down to is, it would never work imo, especially in places with universal health care and im going to say even those with private health care. Hard drugs are NOT safe and if you legalized them I think that would be the stupidest thing anyone could do. You'd see important people dropping out hard.

 

universal health care is bullshit. health care should only be for the rich. it's the natural order of things. natural selection if you will